Jewish Vengeance nearing the end and after World War 2

[Skm1091]

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/jewish_revenge_squads.htm

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Elderly-Jewish-man-accused-of-postwar-revenge-rampage/2005/01/02/1104601243476.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/jewish-brigade-shot-nazi-prisoners-in-revenge-1191139.html

http://www.sunjournal.com/node/131376

So we have some real inglorious bastard type people here. Did you know that until now cause I didn't.

[dallen68]

I'd read anecdotes along those lines before. In the versions I'm familiar with though, they weren't going after "senior Nazi officials", they were grabbing anyone they could get their hands on, who might-have-maybe put on a Nazi uniform at one time or the other.

[MrBogosity]

I'd read anecdotes along those lines before. In the versions I'm familiar with though, they weren't going after "senior Nazi officials", they were grabbing anyone they could get their hands on, who might-have-maybe put on a Nazi uniform at one time or the other.

Which is bad, because probably most of the people wearing that uniform did so because they were forced to. The rank-and-file Nazis were probably more like Sergeant Schultz than Colonel Klink.

[evensgrey]

Which is bad, because probably most of the people wearing that uniform did so because they were forced to. The rank-and-file Nazis were probably more like Sergeant Schultz than Colonel Klink.

You're being unfair to Klink.  Recall, he was a career man long before the Nazis were anything at all.  The military proper weren't even allowed to be Nazis, as they were forbidden by law to join any political party.

I had heard the story about the plot to poison the former SS officers mentioned in the last article.  I heard of it about the same time (and possibly from the same source) as a report of the British government operating a death squad of its own, targeting Nazis who had tortured and/or killed British personnel.

[Travis Retriever]

Because as we all know, two wrongs make a right...

[MrBogosity]

You're being unfair to Klink.  Recall, he was a career man long before the Nazis were anything at all.  The military proper weren't even allowed to be Nazis, as they were forbidden by law to join any political party.

True, but he was a willing Nazi bureaucrat, unlike Schultz, who was a liberal-democrat business owner and thwarted the Nazis the only way he could: by being as incompetent as possible and looking the other way while Hogan helped POWs escape.

[Skm1091]

Which is bad, because probably most of the people wearing that uniform did so because they were forced to. The rank-and-file Nazis were probably more like Sergeant Schultz than Colonel Klink.

I read that the vast majority of the German Military aka. the Wehrmacht did not even know that the holocaust was going on.

There were also people of Jewish ancestry in the Wehrmacht, there were even some full blooded Jews. There were actually a few Jews who actually served in the Waffen SS. 

[Ibrahim90]

You're being unfair to Klink.  Recall, he was a career man long before the Nazis were anything at all.  The military proper weren't even allowed to be Nazis, as they were forbidden by law to join any political party.

I had heard the story about the plot to poison the former SS officers mentioned in the last article.  I heard of it about the same time (and possibly from the same source) as a report of the British government operating a death squad of its own, targeting Nazis who had tortured and/or killed British personnel.

Klink would have had to swear loyalty to Hitler--even if he was no nazi. He would have felt honor bound to serve the nazis--particularly Hitler.

[dallen68]

I read that the vast majority of the German Military aka. the Wehrmacht did not even know that the holocaust was going on.

There were also people of Jewish ancestry in the Wehrmacht, there were even some full blooded Jews. There were actually a few Jews who actually served in the Waffen SS.

That's a point that's been debated since the end of the war. Some people maintain that there was no possible way anyone over (what ever age the individual thinks awareness begins) not knew the holocaust was happening. These are the people that push the "national guilt" thing. Others say that the Nazi's took extraordinary measures to prevent the every man from knowing what was happening, and there is some documentation to give weak evidence of this. Yet others claim that how much someone would have known, depended on the assigned job, and the Nazis set up most tasks so those performing them would have no way of knowing the whole picture.

[Gumba Masta]

Klink would have had to swear loyalty to Hitler--even if he was no nazi. He would have felt honor bound to serve the nazis--particularly Hitler.

I think the only thing Klink was honour bound to was keeping his ass as far away from the frontlines as possible.

[dallen68]

Klink would have had to swear loyalty to Hitler--even if he was no nazi. He would have felt honor bound to serve the nazis--particularly Hitler.

Actually, both Schultz and Klink would have sworn loyalty to Hitler. The oath of service was changed in the early '30's to that effect. Also, IIRC, according to the plot, it was supposed to be a Luftwaffe camp.

[Skm1091]

Actually, both Schultz and Klink would have sworn loyalty to Hitler. The oath of service was changed in the early '30's to that effect. Also, IIRC, according to the plot, it was supposed to be a Luftwaffe camp.

What are we talking about here exactly

[evensgrey]

What are we talking about here exactly

Two German characters from the 1960's sitcom "Hogan's Heros".  Schultz is a former businessman (owner of the largest toy company in Germany, before it was converted to making firearms), and Klink is a career Luftwaffe officer and pilot, and claimed to have been a member of von Richthofen's "Flying Circus" unit at least once (which would mean he should have known Göring, who was von Richthofen's XO and successor). Both of them should be unusually clever men to have such careers, and yet they are constantly being completely outwitted.

Schultz particularly is obviously aware of at least some of the actions of the POWs, but maintains a facade of ignorance and incompetence to avoid having to do anything about it.  Klink can't possibly not notice his chief NCO's incompetence, but doesn't do anything about it.  (There's also at least one incident which indicates one of them, or possibly Klink's own commander, is spy for the Allies.)

[MrBogosity]

Klink would have had to swear loyalty to Hitler--even if he was no nazi. He would have felt honor bound to serve the nazis--particularly Hitler.

I don't get how you figure that. The oath for many was sworn under duress. Who feels honor bound to follow an oath they were forced to make?

Oskar Schindler swore the same oath. So did Claus von Stauffenberg.

I think the only thing Klink was honour bound to was keeping his ass as far away from the frontlines as possible.

You, sir, get one of my rare cluons for that!

What are we talking about here exactly

Hogan's Heroes. Great show.

[Skm1091]

I don't get how you figure that. The oath for many was sworn under duress. Who feels honor bound to follow an oath they were forced to make?

Oskar Schindler swore the same oath. So did Claus von Stauffenberg.

You, sir, get one of my rare cluons for that!

Hogan's Heroes. Great show.

There was also a Major Karl Plagge

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/apr/11/secondworldwar.germany