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I'm a horrible racist, apparently.

Started by MrBogosity, June 25, 2009, 04:35:56 PM

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June 25, 2009, 04:35:56 PM
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The best way you can help me here is to rate this video with your honest rating and speak out in the comments.
June 25, 2009, 06:20:04 PM #1
I say quote mine

The video didn't even address your points on minimum wage

Widdip or whatever the username is just declared that without minimum wage people will be earning slave wages with no evidence to back it up
June 25, 2009, 07:45:14 PM #2
Why do you always respond in all-caps? It makes you look like a raving lunatic.
June 26, 2009, 01:34:11 AM #3
He does it for emphasis, not to yell, Tom.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
June 26, 2009, 02:44:26 AM #4
aaarrrggg I'm not to sure if its worth arguing with these people any more.

I keep meeting these people who conflate corporatism and capitalism as if they were the same thing. I keep trying to tell them the distinction between corporatism and capitalism but all thats stuck with them is the strawman definition of capitalism like the one Thunderf00t was using: "profit is good".

Thats a fallacy of Undistributed Middle isn't it?
Theres profit in both systems and therefore corporatism and capitalism must be the same thing!!??

I mean WTF

We have to repeatedly give them the correct definition or at least the definition in the context we're using and they still use the strawman!

You know what I bet there are very good points against the Free Market but when I read their comments I just (double)facepalm.
June 26, 2009, 05:54:00 AM #5
There's profit in every system, including socialism. By their logic, socialism and capitalism are the same thing.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
June 26, 2009, 08:55:35 AM #6 Last Edit: June 26, 2009, 12:03:44 PM by Tom S. Fox
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 26, 2009, 01:34:11 AM
He does it for emphasis, not to yell, Tom.

No reason to up-vote me.

Edit: Never mind, it has been undone. Also, I just noticed that I quoted the wrong thing. I was tired. Anyway, it's fixed now.
June 26, 2009, 09:36:08 AM #7
I read through what I could stomach of TheDudeFromSomewhere's comments.
I'm sorry, but he's a fucktard, plain and simple.  He keeps going on saying about how "corporatism increases wealth" tacitly admitting it to be a system of theft, and even worse, fucking defending it.  He also states that "corporatism is a form of Free Market Capitalism because capital still accumulates."  How the fuck is that even relavent?  At the end of the day, he's advocating theft: racist, elitist policies that damn millions to poverty and death, while making everyone else worse off in the long run. 
And his ilk dare to argue from morality, conflating a system of freedom, to one of enslavement, just because "capital accumulates".
I also noticed they keep switching definitions of the word "Capitalism" from a system where capital accumulates to a system of free enterprise and voluntary exchange.  This is the equivocation logical fallacy for those interested.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
June 26, 2009, 10:50:41 AM #8
I have similiar sentiments for braniganwddp.
He commented on Shane's Free Market video saying how glad he was for Shane scolding a youtube for bashing people with Aspergers, yet he does the same thing to Shane and the other free market folk even with all the evidence in his face, calling Shane a 'dumbshit" and such.
Talk about double standards.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
June 26, 2009, 06:50:48 PM #9
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My new response.
June 26, 2009, 10:49:23 PM #10
Gpx7 made an argument about how Austrian economics fails since it doesn't use mathematical equations
Wikipedia uses that criticism as well.

any response?
June 26, 2009, 10:52:08 PM #11
Neither does much of biology, does that make evolution and the predictions it has made any less true?
Not using math is irrelavent.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
June 26, 2009, 10:54:59 PM #12
Quote from: Tom S. Fox on June 26, 2009, 08:55:35 AM
No reason to up-vote me.

Edit: Never mind, it has been undone. Also, I just noticed that I quoted the wrong thing. I was tired. Anyway, it's fixed now.
Sorry about that.  I was in the moment and down voted you.  Then I up voted you as a way to make up for it.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
June 27, 2009, 01:07:53 AM #13
heres a video replying to one of your vids

I think its an old one but its worth looking at

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June 27, 2009, 02:09:30 AM #14 Last Edit: June 27, 2009, 02:12:58 AM by Virgil0211
Quote from: 11mc22 on June 26, 2009, 10:49:23 PM
Gpx7 made an argument about how Austrian economics fails since it doesn't use mathematical equations
Wikipedia uses that criticism as well.

any response?

That's actually a bit of a mischaracterization. When the Austrian school was first developed, the principles behind gathering mathematical data in economics were still rather rough. It would take another few decades for them to be perfected. While the tenants of the Austrian school weren't developed using these methods, there's no reason to say that they aren't vindicated by them. There was a member of the Cato Institute (I can't remember his name) who wrote an interesting paper titled "Why I Am Not An Austrian Economist" (I think. It's getting late.). It discussed how while he agreed with and held many tenants of the Austrian school, he relied much more on mathematical data than the early Austrians, and even somewhat defends the Austrian's apprehension towards using such data.

Edit: Realized I spelled "principles" as "principals". That was a typo, not a pun.
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