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May 27, 2009, 06:33:15 PM Last Edit: June 23, 2009, 07:11:59 AM by surhotchaperchlorome
(Or anyone else willing to post):

I find myself constantly posting arguing on this board, and/or PM'ing them to Shane.
I would prefer to not suck up so much of your time though.
Do you know of books, and other sources etc, where I can load up on knowledge and sources for studies, etc so that I can make like thunderf00t speaking about creationism and debunk these crazy socialists myself without relying (too heavily) on you?
I've got the following books on my HDD (with the ones in blue being the ones I've read):
1. Economics In One Lesson Lesson by Henry Hazlitt (read most of this, plan to read the rest).
2. Why Government Doesn't Work by Harry Browne
3. How an Economy Grows and Why It Doesn't: A Fish Story by Irwin Schiff (Read twice through.  I loved it.)
4. "I, Pencil" by Leonard E. Read (Read this.  It was very nice.)
5. Gold, Peace, and Prosperity: The Birth of a New Currency by Ron Paul
6. Healing Our World: The Other Piece of the Puzzle by Dr. Mary Ruwart (read the first few pages, will definitely read).
7. That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen by Frederic Bastiat
8. For a New Liberty: The Libertarian Manifesto by Murray N. Rothbard
9. The Ethics of Liberty by Murray N. Rothbard
10. Mises and Austrian economics: A personal View by Ron Paul
11. What has Government Done to Our Money? by Murray N. Rothbard
12. Liberalism by Ludwig von Mises (1929)
13. Socialism An Economic and Sociological Analysis by Ludwig Von Mises
14. Human Action A Treatise on Economics-4th edn-1966 by Ludwig Von Mises
15. The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality by Ludwig Von Mises
16. America's Great Depression 5th Edition by Murray N. Rothbard
17. Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature and Other Essays by Murray N. Rothbard
18. Man, Economy, and State by Murray N. Rothbard
19. Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth by Ludwig Von Mises
20. Economic Depressions Their Cause and Cure by Murray N. Rothbard
21. The Case Against the Fed by Murray N. Rothbard
22. The Case for Gold-A Minority Report of the U.S. Gold Commission by Ron Paul and Lewis Lehrman
23. America's Great Depression 5th Edition by Murray N. Rothbard
24. The Theory of Money and Credit by Ludwig Von Mises

Oh, and for those curious: All of these are the free online editions from Shane's videos, and from the Mises Institute.
For the "Fish Story", there's tons of free versions of it online.

Being the cheapskate that I am, I plan on seeing if I can borrow a few of Harry Browne's books (e.g. How I found Freedom in an Unfree World) from a library.

Granted,
I found a free copy of Harry Browne's book Why Government Doesn't Work online.
Put this in the URL: http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2006/10/
Then click on this:  "119977.pdf 04-Jan-2009 22:35 1.2M"
That's where I found it.
If I read it from there, would that be pirating/stealing?  Same question for the idea of downloading it?
(PS: I hope I'm not violating site rules by posting this.  If I am, I apologize, and I'll remove it if so.)
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
May 27, 2009, 08:32:33 PM #1
It's just class warfare. That's how governments grab power. Get people fighting against each other and hopefully they won't realize the government's the common enemy.

Geez, there are so many good sources. I think I've given you the basics; just look around mises.org and other places and read up on it.
May 27, 2009, 08:35:02 PM #2
Well this is awkward.
You posted while I was editing my post. ^^;
I list a bunch of books and stuff.

And yes, the Mises Institute is an awesome place for books and stuff. :)
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
May 28, 2009, 08:06:35 AM #3
I don't know if that's an illegal copy of HGDW or not.

You can read (legally!) the first edition of Healing Our World online at ruwart.com.
May 28, 2009, 12:15:45 PM #4
OK. :)

Also, I got the version of Healing Our World from the place you said.


Thanks.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
May 28, 2009, 03:32:27 PM #5
Mind you, the new edition is well worth the money! Not only is there over 100 pages of new material, there's an appendix where she gives the very tragic yet heartwarming story of her sister's experience with Dr. Jack Kevorkian. Regardless of where you are on the issue, or whether or not the story changes your mind, I GUARANTEE you you won't see the issue the same way ever again!
May 29, 2009, 01:00:58 PM #6
I might just have to shell out then for some of these books then.  :)

OK.  After reading Harry Browne's Why Government Doesn't Work, I have a rather big criticism.

He talks about several trillion dollars in debt (National and Social Security), but he's forgetting the biggest fiscal clusterfuck of all:
Medicare's liabilities (over $80 trillion dollars).

He Suggested: "2. 'Save' Medicare by turning it over to private companies: Then, like any
other service in the marketplace, it will be completely voluntary. Let seniors pick
their own policies. Let them make as much money as they want without losing
benefits. Get government out of the health insurance business." (page 110 of the book)

But how would this reduce the debt from that?
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
May 29, 2009, 02:32:31 PM #7
Medicare's "debt" is to the government itself. Remember that his first step is for government to forgive all self-owed debt.
May 29, 2009, 02:54:30 PM #8 Last Edit: June 02, 2009, 11:08:24 PM by surhotchaperchlorome
It is?
:D (over 9000 times)
I didn't read that part nor see it when I read the part about getting rid of debt.
regardless, that's freaking outstanding, and a HUGE relief to me.
The moral of the story:  Get the government out of our lives, back as a negative force as it should have been.

PS:  Thanks for the assistance for furthering my knowledge on the subject.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
June 08, 2009, 08:42:37 AM #9 Last Edit: June 08, 2009, 08:49:45 AM by Tom S. Fox
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 29, 2009, 02:54:30 PM
:D (over 9000 times)

IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAND!!!
June 08, 2009, 09:30:44 PM #10
Quote from: Tom S. Fox on June 08, 2009, 08:42:37 AM
IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAND!!!
*Gives you a minus 1 on your bogometer.*
I'm glad SOMEONE got the reference.  ;)
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
June 10, 2009, 05:34:23 PM #11 Last Edit: June 10, 2009, 05:37:16 PM by Virgil0211
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 08, 2009, 09:30:44 PM
*Gives you a minus 1 on your bogometer.*
I'm glad SOMEONE got the reference.  ;)

Good to see I'm not the only total geek around here. =P

Speaking of which, either of you guys see this? It's hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZNza6-XDtc&feature=channel_page

But yeah, that list looks like a good summer reading project. I'm gonna see how much of it I can get through before school starts.
June 10, 2009, 08:48:01 PM #12
Dude, I've seen the whole mini series at least twice. XD

Also, yeah, using that as a reading list of sorts is part of the plan.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
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