The Black Market for Firearms

Started by Skm1091, January 16, 2013, 04:19:45 PM

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Quote from: evensgrey on February 26, 2015, 11:49:06 AM
And if you thought is was hard to stop people making GUNS, think about how easily you can make a BOW:

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A PVC pipe, a heat gun, and some paracord.

whenever I get around to making one myself, I'm considering making some....alterations to the PVC bow. Doubtless there are ways of making them stronger: this bow is a pussy in comparison to ones from back home made of traditional materials (no offense to Skallagrim--love the guy).
"All you guys complaining about the possibility of guy on guy relationships...you're also denying us girl on girl.  Works both ways if you know what I mean"

-Jesse Cox

The Luty SMG made with hardware store parts.

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Quote from: Skm1091 on August 05, 2019, 04:19:22 AM
Hey there, I am back again.

A relatively sophisticated gun manufacturing plant, using an actual machine shop as a front, has been discovered in Montreal, Canada.

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Bellow are some articles and blog posts on this subject.

https://www.guns.com/news/2018/04/19/photos-surface-of-canadian-underground-gun-factory

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/05/28/these-guns-were-used-in-gta-crimes-their-manufacturer-said-he-thought-they-were-for-paintball.html

https://homemadeguns.wordpress.com/2018/04/20/photos-of-illegal-tec-9-submachine-gun-factory-operating-in-montreal/

https://homemadeguns.wordpress.com/2015/12/17/tec-9-dc9-copy-seized-in-canada/

Quite surprising to see it in Canada--if only because, restrictive by US standards as they are, firearms are still easier to get than in Europe.

Then again, I suppose any restriction creates incentive for this.
"All you guys complaining about the possibility of guy on guy relationships...you're also denying us girl on girl.  Works both ways if you know what I mean"

-Jesse Cox

August 06, 2019, 09:19:13 PM #79 Last Edit: August 07, 2019, 12:54:50 AM by Skm1091
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on August 06, 2019, 07:01:54 PM
Quite surprising to see it in Canada--if only because, restrictive by US standards as they are, firearms are still easier to get than in Europe.

Then again, I suppose any restriction creates incentive for this.

Canada's laws are restrictive in some ways, but they are also less stringent than the US in other ways. For Example: You can buy short-barreled shotguns more easily in Canada than the US, which require ATF approval and a 200 dollar tax. One of the articles I posted, did say that Montreal is home of Canada's gun registration scheme and has the strictest laws in North America so I guess that could be an incentive. Another one could be demand for fully-automatic weapons (if these really are full-auto, because the articles don't really go into detail).

Also, I think we are seeing this because of the proliferation of technology. 20 or 30 years ago computer aided machine tools were limited to large scale industrial operations And now they could be had for less than 3 grand in some cases. I think this is only the beginning of what is to come.

Speaking of Europe, it really depends on your location. Guns are more readily available in Serbia than the United Kingdom, for example. In fact in much of the former Yugoslavia there are still many weapons leftover from the wars during the 1990s. Many of them were hidden away by private collectors, people who thought it would not be wise to turn in their weapons in case another conflict breaks out, or sold to criminal groups who want to make quick buck.

Quote from: Skm1091 on August 06, 2019, 09:19:13 PM
Canada's laws are restrictive in some ways, but they are also less stringent than the US in other ways. For Example: You can buy short-barreled shotguns more easily in Canada than the US, which require ATF approval and a 200 dollar tax. One of the articles I posted, did say that Montreal is home of Canada's gun registration scheme and has the strictest laws in North America so I guess that could be an incentive. Another one could be demand for fully-automatic weapons (if these really are full-auto, because the articles don't really go into detail).

Also, I think we are seeing this because of the proliferation of technology. 20 or 30 years ago computer aided machine tools were limited to large scale industrial operations And now they could be had for less than 3 grand in some cases. I think this is only the beginning of what is to come.

Speaking of Europe, it really depends on your location. Guns are more readily available in Serbia than the United Kingdom, for example. In fact in much of the former Yugoslavia there are still many weapons leftover from the wars during the 1990s. Many of them were hidden away by private collectors, people who thought it would not be wise to turn in their weapons in case another conflict breaks out, or sold to criminal groups who want to make quick buck.

Yes, it was admittedly a generalization, that doesn't apply either to the Balkans, or the Chzech Republic and Hungary.
"All you guys complaining about the possibility of guy on guy relationships...you're also denying us girl on girl.  Works both ways if you know what I mean"

-Jesse Cox

Quote from: Ibrahim90 on August 07, 2019, 08:00:35 PM
Yes, it was admittedly a generalization, that doesn't apply either to the Balkans, or the Chzech Republic and Hungary.

You got that right. Speaking of the United Kingdom.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-48202765

https://nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-for-supplying-guns-made-at-hailsham-firearms-factory

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/05/08/fn-1922-pistol-copies-produced-in-illegal-gun-factory-in-sussex-uk/


Apparently the NCA (UK's FBI) has discovered a machine shop that was producing, what appears to be, somewhat rough copies of FN/Browning 1922 handguns, which is a bigger variant of the [wiki]FN_Model_1910[/wiki]. In the video, they say this is the first time they have seen something like this. But assure you this is not gonna be the last.

A Clear example of the proliferation of technology. I won't be surprised if within the next 5-10 years we start seeing 9mm handguns being produced.

Back again with more breaking news. There is now a 12 gauge revolving pump shotgun combining metal and 3d printed parts. This is getting interesting.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/07/17/the-liberator12k-a-diy-3d-printed-12-gauge-revolving-shotgun/

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The designer seemed to have taken some inspiration from the [wiki]Armsel_Striker[/wiki] shotgun. See the resemblance?

Here is another interesting development.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/08/14/fgc-9-3d-printed-gun/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/cr87ar/100_dollars_in_unregulated_material_never_looked/

Some would consider this a milestone in the fight against gun control and 3d printing capabilities.
A 3d printed 9mm carbine that is designed to circumvent EU style gun laws, which regulates the pressure bearing parts, aka the toughest parts of the firearm to machine.

The group that has created this firearm has also created a relatively simply way to make a rifled barrel via electro-chemical machining. This is quite revolutionary, because barrels are one of the most time consuming and challenging part of a firearm to produce through traditional means.

Hold the presses! Hold the presses!

The FGC-9 the first 3d printed gun to use no commercial gun parts is now released to the public. Read below for more details.

https://www.enblocpress.com/news/the-fgc-9-fulfills-the-promise-of-3d-printed-guns/

Below is a report by ARES. It is a pretty good read on the trends of improvised arms.

http://armamentresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/ARES-Research-Report-8-Desktop-Firearms.pdf

This is only the beginning.

Cosider the following items purchased at Home Depot or Lowes:

  • 1/4" PVC pipe, 18"
  • 1/2" PVC pipe, 5"
  • 1/2" PVC pipe cap
  • 1" long wood screw,
  • PVC Pipe cleaner
  • PVC Pipe Adhesive
Instructions:

  • Screw screw in center of cap
  • glue cap on backof 1/2" pipe
  • Slide 1/2"  pipe over 1/4" pipe
What have you constructed? If you said "an improvised shotgun" otherwise known as a "slam gun" congratulations, you now know why trying to prohibit firearms is an exercise in futility. Oh, if the shotgun shell does not fit, either use a larger or smaller size for the 1/4" "receiver" or use a larger pipe and glue inserts to allow the shell to stay. The larger piece slides over the "receiver" that holds the shell, it is slammed into the shell, and the screw strikes the primer on the shell. You have to put this in something to hold it because PVC is too weak to withstand a shotgun blast, and the "barrel" would explode, but if you're in a situation where an attacker is coming for your room, it's better  than nothing.

Note this is for informational purposes only to show that potentially $10 can purchase the materials to create a single-use shotgun. And  that gun control really makes very little sense.