On a lighter note...We might see some GOOD new Star Wars films now

[VectorM]

George Lucas used to know better than that.

Based on what i've read about him on sites like Cracked and other sources - no, he didn't, ever.

[evensgrey]

Based on what i've read about him on sites like Cracked and other sources - no, he didn't, ever.

I've seen the theatrical version of THX-1138, and it wasn't like that.  The movies he made when he was still part of the Director's Guild weren't like that.  The Indiana Jones movies aren't like that (they're largely excuses for having cool action sequences, but the characterizations hold together and people don't just do things that make no sense of any kind for an excuse to have effects shots).

[R.E.H.W.R.]

It's always seemed to me that lightsabre combat should differ from sword fencing in one rather large way:  No feints.  There are basically two types of opponents when it comes to lightsabre:  The kind against whom feints are not needed, and the kind against whom feints will not work.

Actually, with combat fencing, (I'm talking about classic rapier, small swords, sabers and cutlasses)  feints weren't used all that often. The blades were too heavy. Often, European Combat fencing turned into a big reaction contest. Who was better at counter attacking? And considering a lightsaber only needs a slight touch to do a lot of damage, fencing sounds perfect. Being able to touch someone from as far away as possible without being touched.

[MrBogosity]

Actually, with combat fencing, (I'm talking about classic rapier, small swords, sabers and cutlasses)  feints weren't used all that often. The blades were too heavy. Often, European Combat fencing turned into a big reaction contest. Who was better at counter attacking? And considering a lightsaber only needs a slight touch to do a lot of damage, fencing sounds perfect. Being able to touch someone from as far away as possible without being touched.

I imagine it would be closest to épée, since you want to avoid any touch (the entire body is a target area) and who the fuck cares about right-of-way? Effectively, light saber battles would be very much the "first blood" type of combat épée was designed to emulate.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

I imagine it would be closest to épée, since you want to avoid any touch (the entire body is a target area) and who the fuck cares about right-of-way? Effectively, light saber battles would be very much the "first blood" type of combat épée was designed to emulate.

Depends. A lot of sport épée moves are useless in a real sword-fight. Of course, we are talking about movies.  If someone wanted to go for the old rapier and dagger combo, that would definitely change things. So, a full length lightsaber in dominant hand, mostly used for offense and a smaller lightsaber mostly used for defense.

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Just for reference of what I'm talking about.

[MrBogosity]

If someone wanted to go for the old rapier and dagger combo, that would definitely change things. So, a full length lightsaber in dominant hand, mostly used for offense and a smaller lightsaber mostly used for defense.

I just flashed to that scene in Mystery Men when The Shoveler defends himself with a trowel.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

I just flashed to that scene in Mystery Men when The Shoveler defends himself with a trowel.

Funny as that would seem. Probably work.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

I just flashed to that scene in Mystery Men when The Shoveler defends himself with a trowel.

I actually know a guy who needed a spear to take down wild hogs, so he took a trowel, flattened the blade, sharpened it, and attached it to a wooden shaft. Amazing how inventive people can be.

[Lord T Hawkeye]

I think he completely glossed over the core flaw of the movie:  Nobody in the movie makes any choices that seem to make the slightest bit of sense.  It's like everyone is holding an idiot ball all the damn time.  The plot verges on an excuse plot to have lots of pretty visual effects.  George Lucas used to know better than that.

Covered that when he said the writing is sloppy.  The point is, that's nothing new.  It's no different than your typical pretty action flick that slacks off in the story and character department.  Nobody's saying the movie is good, just that we're sick of the ridiculous "WORST MOVIE EVAR!!" hyperbole that gets thrown at it.

I actually had a decent time watching it because I went in with the mindset of "This is NOT going to be as good as the original trilogy.  Best just accept that now."

[evensgrey]

Depends. A lot of sport épée moves are useless in a real sword-fight. Of course, we are talking about movies.  If someone wanted to go for the old rapier and dagger combo, that would definitely change things. So, a full length lightsaber in dominant hand, mostly used for offense and a smaller lightsaber mostly used for defense.

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Just for reference of what I'm talking about.

KoToR had that, IIRC.  They also had two variants, using lightsabre and cortosis blade in off hand (which functions against a lightsabre very much like a main gauche does against lighter combat swords) and cortosis sword and cortosis blade in offhand (for the non-Force enabled character).  Worked a treat.

One of the things I recall from playing both pencil and paper RPGs and computer RPGs in the Star Wars setting is that you can get much more dramatic stuff going on in an RPG than Lucas ever managed.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

It's always seemed to me that lightsabre combat should differ from sword fencing in one rather large way:  No feints.  There are basically two types of opponents when it comes to lightsabre:  The kind against whom feints are not needed, and the kind against whom feints will not work.

Seems Bob Anderson already did fights for Star Wars. For the good ones and played Darth Vader in the fight scnces.

[tnu]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have a bad feeling about this. THere has been too much established Canon over the past thirty some odd years for this to do anything but cause huge gaping holes in the canon.

[MrBogosity]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have a bad feeling about this. THere has been too much established Canon over the past thirty some odd years for this to do anything but cause huge gaping holes in the canon.

As if there aren't already?

Besides, he found a good way around this for the Star Trek movies.

[tnu]

Ugh NO! What would hte point be in a reboot?

[MrBogosity]

Ugh NO! What would hte point be in a reboot?

It doesn't sound like he's talking reboot. Just picking up where Episode VI left off.