Esperanto - yay or nay?

Tom S. Fox · February 21, 2009, 07:39:41 PM

Quote from: MrBogosity on February 21, 2009, 06:45:28 PM
... it was, "No, it wasn't socially engineered."

Yeah, I know, but what does that mean and why do you think that Esperanto isn't socially engineered?

Quote from: MrBogosity on February 21, 2009, 06:45:28 PM
And you said that you couldn't learn the languages fluently and use them.

That's not what I said. I said that it is not suitable for real life. Klingon, for example, has a very limited vocabulary.

MrBogosity · February 21, 2009, 08:31:19 PM

Because social engineering is the process of getting everyone to speak it. And it hasn't happened.

Tom S. Fox · February 21, 2009, 08:33:05 PM

No language is spoken by everyone, so what are you getting at?

MrBogosity · February 21, 2009, 09:43:47 PM

You need enough people to speak it to make it usable, though, and again they haven't been able to do that with Esperanto.

Why are you double-speaking all through this subject? What kind of bias is in play here?

Tom S. Fox · February 21, 2009, 09:56:33 PM

What do you mean by double-speak?

And how many people would you need, in your opinion, to make it usable?

MrBogosity · February 21, 2009, 10:42:20 PM

Like, pretending I literally meant "everyone" when the context made it clear I wasn't.

You need enough people so that you use it enough to retain it as a fluent language.

Tom S. Fox · February 22, 2009, 07:46:56 AM

Quote from: MrBogosity on February 21, 2009, 10:42:20 PM
Like, pretending I literally meant "everyone" when the context made it clear I wasn't.

Actually, it wasn't clear. How many would be enough for you?

MrBogosity · February 22, 2009, 09:50:09 AM

There's no set number. Three people would be enough IF they have daily contact with each other and only speak Esperanto to each other...but the likelihood is smaller with that number.

Tom S. Fox · February 22, 2009, 10:00:30 AM

Why would they have to only speak Esperanto to each other?

MrBogosity · February 22, 2009, 11:22:37 AM

Because if they speak anything else, the Esperanto will get corrupted.

Read Arthur C. Clarke's 2010: Odyssey II. Look at how the American characters started speaking in Russian without realizing it, even to each other. Look at how ALL of the characters started speaking in both languages, prompting one character to jokingly post a memo banning the speaking of "Russlish." That kind of thing actually happens!

Atheos5150 · February 22, 2009, 12:49:33 PM

Anyone remember Ebonics? lol

Tom S. Fox · February 22, 2009, 03:18:46 PM

You are starting to tick me off.
How do you know whether that would happen to Esperanto?
How do you know that it isn't socially engineered?
How do you know that it isn't usable?
Why do you always avoid these questions or quickly switch the subject?

MrBogosity · February 22, 2009, 03:35:22 PM

QuoteYou are starting to tick me off.

Why, because I'm presenting evidence and arguments as to why it won't work?

I ask again: what is your bias here?

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Esperanto - yay or nay?

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